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Old 02-04-2008, 01:29 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I had a look at the Vanguard site, but couldn't really work out how they operate. Can anyone give me a rough explanation?
What specifically don't you understand ? They are just another fund manager - like CFS and such ... their index funds work exactly like all other managed funds (issue units, pay distributions etc).

The difference with an index fund is that rather than actively picking stocks and timing the investments that they hold - they just buy to match their selected index - minimum work, minimum costs and you get pretty close to what the market does overall.
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Old 02-04-2008, 09:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Thanks Sim, that's pretty much what I was after.
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Old 07-04-2008, 10:42 AM   #13 (permalink)
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My investment learning disability is kicking in again. I'm not normally this thick, but for some reason the topic of investing is just really hard for me to understand.

Do managers like Vanguard and Macquarie limit the funds you can access?
(Macquarie seems to allow you to invest in all shares etc... but from what I can tell Vanguard only offers specific investment products/funds. Am I correct?)

What would be the advantage of using a fund manager, as opposed to investing through Westpac Broking?

Thanks guys, I know I'm getting repetitive now, but my brain just doesn't seem to have an investment section.
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:09 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Most fund managers have a fixed set of funds (the ones they manage themselves!) that they let you invest in. Eg. NavraInvest have 3 funds that they manage, Vanguard have a few more than this. There is no portfolio management offered by most fund managers - you just invest in the fund(s) you choose and they send you statements etc.

At the other end of the spectrum are wrap providers who give you a selection of funds to invest in and they provide administration and portfolio management services to make things easier at tax time. Wrap providers generally don't manage funds themselves - rather they make it easier for you to invest in a range of funds managed by the fund managers.

In the "grey area" between individual fund managers and wrap accounts are the fund managers like CFS and Perpetual who set themselves up as portfolio managers - where you can invest in a range of funds via the same investment account (not strictly a wrap account - but similar), with consolidated reporting and management. CFS and Perpetual let you invest both in their own funds, plus in funds managed by other fund managers, but accessed through the CFS/Perpetual products. There is still a limit to the number of funds you can invest in - CFS have something like 200 funds available.

I'm not exactly sure what you would use Westpac Broking for - but I'm guessing they are essentially a "discount funds provider" like InvestSmart or CommSec Funds etc ... these guys just act as a clearing house for managed funds and typically offer rebates on entry fees for retail funds so that you can invest more cheaply. These guys make their money from the trailing commission they will receive from the fund managers if you invest through them.

Here's the summary:

1. you can invest directly through a fund manager (eg Vanguard, Macquarie, CFS, NavraInvest, etc), but you may pay entrance fees and you have to do all the paperwork yourself

2. you can invest via a discount fund broker (eg InvestSmart, YourShare, Commsec Funds, etc) to avoid the entrance fees, but you still end up investing directly with the fund managers and doing all the paperwork yourself

3. you can invest via what I call a "semi-wrap" provider (eg CFS or Perpetual) to get access to all of their funds, plus third party funds which they resell - you will still have entrance fees, but will have less paperwork since the funds are managed through the one service. You can also usually use discount providers like in 2 to avoid the entrance fees.

4. you can invest via a wrap account, which costs extra, but provides access to a wider range of funds and provides portfolio and administrative services and possibly access to wholesale funds for retail investment amounts

Unless you want to use a wrap account to help with administration, most people investing on their own will go with option 2 to avoid the entrance fees.

Note that I am only referring to Managed Funds here ... ETFs are not managed funds - they are exchange traded funds ... you don't go via a fund manager, rather you go via a sharemarket broker (like Commsec) to invest in these products ... exactly the same as if you were investing in shares like BHP or Woolworths.
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Old 07-04-2008, 01:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Thanks Sim, you're always extremely helpful.

I invested in my managed funds through CFS, using InvestSmart as my discount broker. I found the process was fairly easy, and I like the ease of management through the CFS web site.

Is there any advantage to investing in ETF's through a pllatform like Macquarie?

I was thinking of investing in some ETF's, to give me some more experiance. My managed funds have not been doing well (I invested right before everything turned sour). They have started to turnaround lately though, but I would still like to try and broaden my knowledge/portfolio.

I had a look at the Macquarie site, and it's looks like a good platform. Does anyone have any experience investing through Macquarie Prime?
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Old 07-04-2008, 03:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I invest through prime... i love it but has 2 distinct downfalls...

cant trade options (i heard they are trying to implement something late this year), and you cant use managed funds on it. Its a shares only style margin loan.... however you mass well buy STW and get 95% lending (but geared to like 50-60%) on it which will beat almost any managed fund....
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Old 07-04-2008, 06:23 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I spoke to MQ Prime a few months ago, and they are currently working on setting up a Managed Funds section, to complement the Cash, Shares & CFD sections. I don't know what the allowable gearing will be, but I'm certain it will be nowhere near the 95% they offer on the ASX50.
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Old 11-04-2008, 08:14 AM   #18 (permalink)
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So, if I were just interested in investing in some ETF's, would it be worth while signing up to Macquarie Prime?
I don't really plan on using any margin loans at this time. Are there any other reasons why I would invest through Macquarie?
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Old 11-04-2008, 08:30 AM   #19 (permalink)
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If you just want to buy some ETFs and don't care about margin now (you can always do it later) ... all you need is a stock broker. Any of the online brokers should do the job - Commsec, etc.
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:34 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Cool, thanks again everyone.

Now I need to figure out what I want/need in my portfolio.
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