Home | Log in | Join Now! | Blog | Contact    Subscribe to the InvestEd Blog via RSS
InvestEd :: Wealth Education for Australian Investors




Welcome to InvestEd.

You are currently viewing our site as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please:


If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact support.

Navra fund and navra shares

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 12-08-2008, 09:35 PM   #11 (permalink)
Sim
Administrator
 
Posts: 3,716
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Sydney, NSW
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan View Post
See the US Fund Results today?

Over 14% so far this Quarter!! At last......
Seen the AUD lately ? Down nearly 10% over the past few weeks.
__________________
Sim'


This is a general comment only and does not constitute advice. Before making financial decisions you should seek advice from a professional adviser, who can take into account your specific circumstances and investment goals.
Sim is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
   
 
Hide these adverts with a Free Membership
Old 12-08-2008, 09:42 PM   #12 (permalink)
Sim
Administrator
 
Posts: 3,716
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Sydney, NSW
I think the attached chart shows some interesting data ... accumulated returns from July 1 2005 for STW ETF versus CFS Geared Share fund.

At one point, the geared fund was up 150% for the period, 80% more than the ETF ... while now it is less than 5% higher after all that time.

The joys of gearing

Of course I have no doubt that in 10 years time, the geared fund will be significantly higher than the ungeared ETF.
Attached Images
File Type: png stw vs cfs geared.png (58.2 KB, 19 views)
__________________
Sim'


This is a general comment only and does not constitute advice. Before making financial decisions you should seek advice from a professional adviser, who can take into account your specific circumstances and investment goals.
Sim is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2008, 09:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
Alan
Member
 
Posts: 602
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Sydney
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sim View Post
Seen the AUD lately ? Down nearly 10% over the past few weeks.
Yes I realise that Sim.
Alan is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2008, 10:55 PM   #14 (permalink)
Tropo
Member
 
Posts: 1,863
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: NSW
Aud/usd

The downside could stretch AUD/USD towards 0.8500 in the near term - (currently 0.8782).
Tropo is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2008, 05:59 AM   #15 (permalink)
Denis
Member
 
Posts: 61
Join Date: Aug 2005
US Fund

I thought that the Navra US fund was currency neutral, in that shares were purchased in $US and value was converted to $AU immediately to avoid all hedging issues. Therefore implying that quoted return was not affected by currency fluctuations.Is this correct?
Regards

Denis
Denis is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2008, 08:45 AM   #16 (permalink)
Sim
Administrator
 
Posts: 3,716
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Sydney, NSW
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis View Post
I thought that the Navra US fund was currency neutral, in that shares were purchased in and value was converted to immediately to avoid all hedging issues. Therefore implying that quoted return was not affected by currency fluctuations.Is this correct?
Yes and no.

The changes that were brought in just meant that rather than holding cash in USD (and hence making their cash holding subject to currency fluctuations), they held cash in AUD and only converted to/from USD at the time of trading.

In the old system, distributions could be affected by currency movements, since realised profits held as USD cash could be eaten away by a rising AUD.

However, the changes only affect cash holdings ... the value of the fund (and hence unit price) is quoted to us in AUD, and includes both cash AND share asset value - so while the cash holdings no longer fluctuate due to currency movements, the value of the shares held by the fund still will.

If you buy shares in IBM @ $100 per share when the AUD buys you US$0.80, and then the currency climbs to US$0.90 while the share price is stagnant, then the value of your holdings in AUD terms drops by 12.5%. Of course, now we are seeing the opposite - a drop in the value of the AUD sees the value of the share holdings rise in value by the same proportion.

More explanation of the changes that were made are in Steve's presentation from March last year:

Navra presentation - US Fund - 20070329
__________________
Sim'


This is a general comment only and does not constitute advice. Before making financial decisions you should seek advice from a professional adviser, who can take into account your specific circumstances and investment goals.
Sim is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Selling out of Managed Funds hiflo Managed Funds 32 05-12-2007 09:47 AM
Navra NO LONGER an Income Fund ? seaview Managed Funds 176 25-03-2007 10:54 PM
Dollar Cost Trading Steve Navra Shares and Managed Funds Articles 0 13-10-2005 04:00 PM
Distributions in Navra Fund Alan Managed Funds 14 09-09-2005 09:11 AM


All times are GMT +10. The time now is 09:20 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0
Some graphics originally by vBStyles.com

Copyright © 2006 Investor Education Pty Ltd (ACN 114 677 226)
Site by Hampel Group