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Old 16-03-2008, 08:49 AM   #1
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Can I rent my mortgaged house and buy another?

I have a mortgage on one house, but the house is too small for my family of 5 (our third child was unexpected). We have council restrictions on extensions. Instead of selling and/or renting is it feasible to keep this house and rent it out and buy another house suitable for our needs? To sell this one our equity would not be too great, but potentially it will raise in value over the next few years.
We owe $300k, house value about $380-410k (I think). Potential rental about $280-300 per week. Houses in the area that have 4 bedrooms about $450K. We both earn combined about $90-100k per annum. Any info/advice would be great, as we are going slightly mad tripping over each other (and the kids are growing).

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Old 16-03-2008, 09:56 AM   #2
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Do they let you extend upwards?
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Old 16-03-2008, 10:06 AM   #3
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Yes they will, but the area we live in is increasingly heavy with road traffic noise. Got a quote for 100-200k, bit of an over capitalising for the area.
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Old 16-03-2008, 10:23 AM   #4
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fred4321,

A better question is: Can you afford to 'keep' both properties. Assuming the new house will be $400k+, you will be looking at a large interest payment each month. Can you handle it comfortably, because three kids will consume every other dollar you have!

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Old 16-03-2008, 10:38 AM   #5
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Well, this is what I need to find out. MY weekly mortgage is $500.
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Old 16-03-2008, 05:33 PM   #6
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George mate you've come to the right place.
I've got a solution for you


You convert your PPOR to an IP and rent it out for $300.
For $20-50 extra you can find somewhere else to rent.
Assuming you get $300/w in rent for your IP and
the bigger place you will rent for your family will cost you $350/w .
This means that you will be $50 out of pocket but hung on...., you are not out of pocket at all.

Here is how:

The $300K mortgage is currently costing you $530/week
When you rent your place out you will get $300 in rent so you have $230/w loss
add another $20 in rates and another $20 in property management fees
and another $20 in maintenance increases your loss to $300/week
And this is without taking into consideration any depreciation
which could easily be another $50/week.

So lets say you have $300-$350/week of losses
You can claim those losses in your tax return and will get 30% back or approx $100. You pay $50 from that for the rental of the bigger place and have another $50 left over to buy your lunches for the week.

Now, if you would like to improve your cashflow You can fill out an ATO form estimating your yearly losses and they will send a letter to your employer
telling him to deduct $100 less from your pay each week.

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Old 16-03-2008, 05:46 PM   #7
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George,
One more thing,
I assumed that you are not able to support a large PPOR loan
on your current sallary.
Is your current PPOR unique in any way and worth keeping?
Is the mortgage in 2 names?
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Old 16-03-2008, 09:25 PM   #8
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Sorry Bill, but I dont know what PPOR and IP means. PPOR means permanent place of residence? PPOR is 400 meters from the beach..walk across a road and a sports field. The mortgage is in two names.
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Old 16-03-2008, 11:11 PM   #9
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George,

I can't see another option for you.
Use the link shown below to the borrowing power calculator
It will give you an idea whether you can support a bigger mortgage.

However, from what you've said you have a large family and even if you could support a bigger loan now, in the future your circumstances may change.

Globaly there is great uncertaintly in the financial markets so now it's not a good time to overextend yourself.

St.George Bank - Home Loan Calculators

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Old 17-03-2008, 08:53 AM   #10
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Bill thanks heaps for that. I suppose the rental option you described is probably the go at the moment. But I used the borrowing calculator, and it indicates that I can borrow $370K. This makes me think that it might be better either sell the property outright and look for one that suites us or rent this one out as you suggested and rent another.
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