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Old 22-10-2008, 09:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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100% cash or 100% invested ?

Warren Buffett has recently invested 100% of his personal cash in US equities..

Follow the leaders I say!

(Note: this thread split from here: Going 100% cash )

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Old 23-10-2008, 08:04 AM   #2 (permalink)
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But Warren Buffett doesn't have kids in school, mortgages and have to put food on the table. He can afford to be brave
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Old 23-10-2008, 08:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
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But Warren Buffett doesn't have kids in school, mortgages and have to put food on the table. He can afford to be brave
I think he has more to loose than all of us!
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Old 23-10-2008, 08:40 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I think he has more to loose than all of us!
When your future income is pretty much guaranteed - you can afford to lose all your invested capital ... you know you won't go hungry.

When you have effective control over the assets you are buying (ie the companies), then your investment is far safer than where you have zero control.
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Old 23-10-2008, 08:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
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When your future income is pretty much guaranteed - you can afford to lose all your invested capital ... you know you won't go hungry.

When you have effective control over the assets you are buying (ie the companies), then your investment is far safer than where you have zero control.
You really think Warren Buffett is planing on leaving a legacy which says "He became the worlds wealthiest man, but lost it when he died"?

I don't think so.

Warren Buffett isn't controlling all the companies he invests in. Do you really think such a old man takes a active role in managing the companies? Not even warren buffett can avoid financial turmoil for companies in bad times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/op...=1&oref=slogin
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Old 23-10-2008, 08:51 AM   #6 (permalink)
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and one more thing Sim.. no offense, but you were investing in shares, when warren buffett was in 100% American government bonds, now your in cash when he is in 100% American equities?

lol
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Old 23-10-2008, 08:52 AM   #7 (permalink)
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You really think Warren Buffett is planing on leaving a legacy which says "He became the worlds wealthiest man, but lost it when he died"?
You completely misunderstand what I'm saying.

I am saying that it is far less risky to Warren Buffett the person to be investing "all his personal cash" because he won't go hungry if everything does go wrong and he loses all of his invested capital. I was not saying that he was going to lose it - just that he can afford to.

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Warren Buffett isn't controlling all the companies he invests in. Do you really think such a old man takes a active role in managing the companies? Not even warren buffett can avoid financial turmoil for companies in bad times.
Again you miss the point - I'm not saying he is controlling them personally - but he employs the best managers he can find to do the work for him.

I don't get to choose the CEO of NAB if I invest in them (I don't have a large enough shareholding).
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and one more thing Sim.. no offense, but you were investing in shares, when warren buffett was in 100% American government bonds, now your in cash when he is in 100% American equities?
I do take offense because you make the same ignorant statements over and over again in most of the threads you post in. You continue to pull out the same cliches and frankly it is getting rather tiresome.

If it was so easy to "do what Buffett does" then why aren't you the third richest man in the world right now ?

Have you invested all of your money into American equities ? Why not ?

Yes we can learn a lot from Buffett - but you need to keep it real.

If you think Buffett is the only person who knows what he is doing (which may actually be the case!), then the only investing advice I have for you is to go buy Berkshire Hathaway shares - currently trading at the bargain basement price of $117,950 per share (down from $147,000 per share just recently). Have you bought any of these shares ? Why not ?
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Old 23-10-2008, 10:26 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Pretty much fully invested in aussie industrial stocks. As more money comes in I keep buying.

Rules are simple and probably in line with some of Buffet's views (for the average investor):

1. Let go of all the analysis paralysis, getting paranoid about timing the market and start thinking long term.
2. Diversify to minimise stock specific risk or better still invest a sizeable core in index ETFs and LICs.
3. Spread your buying over time with an emphasis on Buffet's motto of "be greedy when others are fearfall and fearfall when others are greedy.
4. Focus on income - capital growth will sort itself out over time as it always does.
5. Minimise costs - hold long term or forever and hence avoid active trading unless you want a christmas card from the broker.
6. Keep debt at a conservative level (I never let my LVR get past 40% and generally keep it a lot less). All loans are against property - I don't use margin loans.

Personally I have invested a considerable sum into the market since May. After taking dividends into account I'm down bugger all as of today. Sure it could go down a lot further but the short - medium term capital volatility is of no concern. And even if dividends are slashed it will still be a very attractive income which will enable me to continue to afford quality beer.

Also the above takes next to no time to implement - basically set and forget.

Just my strategy developed over time after trying most things in my younger days such as technical trading of stocks and futures etc and certainly this is not meant to be a recommendation for others.

Cheers - Gordon
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Old 23-10-2008, 10:35 AM   #10 (permalink)
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very good post Gordon. I agree with your stratergy. I'm doing simular things to you.

Are you buying stocks or funds persoanlly?
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